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Here i...The solution for the Cauvery water dispute:<br />Here is a suggestion to keep all the Cauvery water to ourselves, and yet give enough water to Tamil Nadu.<br />Every time there is a shortage of rainfall the “Cauvery issue” crops up and if there are rains next year, it is forgotten. If there is a political will, there are many viable solutions to this problem.<br />If we travel from Kerala to Goa along the coast of Karnataka, well, it’s a nice drive and I have enjoyed it often. Every ten kilometers, we will find a river or large stream of fresh drinking water flowing into the sea. While letting these fresh water rivers like “NETHRAVATI” and “SHARAVATHI” and many more into the sea, we also fight in the supreme court of India for this Cauvery water spending crores of Rupees down the drain.<br />Imagine the reverse situation,<br />1. If Cauvery was flowing from Tamil Nadu to Karnataka,<br />2. If Tamil Nadu had several other rivers like we have and had let them in to the sea,<br />3. And if Tamil Nadu had dammed Cauvery at Mettur,<br />I, as a layman could go to the Supreme Court and get the gates opened. No wonder even senior advocate F.S. Nariman is not able to win our case.<br />Here is an engineer’s solution to make both sides happy instead of fighting in the courts.<br />In Shimoga district there is a dam called ‘Linganamakki’, with capacity of 152 TMC. This is located at an altitude of 1817 feet above sea level and the water from this dam is used for producing power and most of it is just let in to the Arabian Sea. Roughly around 1000 TMC of water goes to the sea every year.<br />This water cannot be brought to KRS by gravity because KRS is at an altitude of 2454 feet above the sea level. However, the Mettur dam in Tamil Nadu, into which we are forced to release our precious Cauvery water, is at an altitude of only 775 feet.<br />It is possible to cut an underground tunnel from Linganamakki to Mettur dam and send the water by gravity. By doing this we can fulfill our obligation of releasing the 270 TMC of water to Tamil Nadu without sending a drop of Cauvery water. There will still be enough water in Linganamakki for power generation.<br />A detailed study must be conducted. The benefit of keeping all the Cauvery water to us will far outweigh the cost of the tunnel making.<br /><br /><br />An example of Gravity Fed Aqueduct:<br />Los Angeles Aqueduct: There are two Los Angeles aqueducts which do not require energy for pumping water. The first was completed in 1913 for less than $23 million, and includes 223 miles of aqueduct. The second was completed in 1970. It cost nearly $89 million and includes 137 miles of aqueduct. Both pipelines are gravity fed. Today, these projects provide Los Angeles with an average of 254,000 af per year, although there is significant variation in deliveries among years. <br /> <br />‘Gravity feed’ is the use of earth's gravity to move something (usually a liquid) from one place to another. It is a simple means of moving a liquid without the use of a pump. This is not a new concept. Ancient Roman aqueducts were gravity-fed. The Los Angeles Aqueduct system, uses gravity alone to move the water, which makes it cost-efficient to operate: <br />http://waterandpower.org/museum/Construction_of_the_LA_Aqueduct.html<br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueduct<br /><br />It will however take enormous political ‘gravitas’, to launch such a project and to complete it successfully in Karnataka.<br />Sincerely,<br />VENUGOPAL VR, <br />http://emeraldenclave.in/ , Mysuru, Karnataka<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449393452141877676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-64299149311488083292017-09-21T06:07:51.683-07:002017-09-21T06:07:51.683-07:00The Supreme Court on Wednesday reserved its order ...The Supreme Court on Wednesday reserved its order on a batch of cross petitions filed by Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and Puducherry challenging the <a href="http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2017/sep/21/cauvery-river-water-disputes-supreme-court-reserves-order-after-10-years-of-hearing-1660499.html" rel="nofollow">2007 Cauvery River Water Disputes Tribunal</a> award. This comes after 10 years of hearing.A three-judge bench, headed by Chief Justice Dipak Misra, reserved its order and asked the parties to submit written submissions on various aspects of the issue that had emerged during the course of the hearing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03548785207276680006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-57962205419594938632017-03-01T23:41:27.765-08:002017-03-01T23:41:27.765-08:00Thanks i like your blog very much , i come back mo...Thanks i like your blog very much , i come back most days to find new posts like this!Good effort.I learnt it.<a href="http://ewastetamilnadu.com/service.html>waste recycling services Tamil Nadu</a>.<br /><br /><br />e waste collection in chennaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612799341887547864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-61630378380187367332016-09-17T07:56:26.149-07:002016-09-17T07:56:26.149-07:00This blog written very well in 2012 is still relev...This blog written very well in 2012 is still relevant and will revisited by seekers of info in future also when we get into distress!! Praveer Nijagalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06219031574624903920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-66731894493557087062016-09-07T21:58:12.318-07:002016-09-07T21:58:12.318-07:00Prashant Vaidyaraj made sense. For all the info we...Prashant Vaidyaraj made sense. For all the info we've the wiki. For solutions we need scientists. As Nagesh Hegde says what we need is not lawyers but scientists. <br />We've seen enough sociowater movements but not enough scientific solutions. That's the need of the hour. Wiki will take care of the rest! The Second Debatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17847617665161608823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-61233658863870887352016-09-07T19:52:46.272-07:002016-09-07T19:52:46.272-07:00Kaveri is one of the best utilized river in India....Kaveri is one of the best utilized river in India. Almost 95% of the water get utilized. Major portion of the water goes to irrigation (85% approx.) and some extent for drinking water purposes (15%). Karnataka has major contribution in utilizing the water for drinking purposes.Mandya and Mysore utilizes most of the water in Karnataka. Similarly Tanjavur, Tiruvarur, Nagapattinam and Erode districts of Tamil Nadu utilizes the maximum water for irrigation in Tamil Nadu. This is an old problem of upper and lower riparian states squabbling over rights and there are no RIGHT/WRONG answers but only points of view.India has given Indus waters to Pakistan during the most intense stand-offs and Ganga/Brahmaputra water to East Pakistan (later Bangladesh). Israel and Jordon share a river called “Jordon river” and Nile is shared by several nations as is the Danube in Europe. <br />If nations, that too sworn enemies can solve these problems these two states in India which share a lot of things can surely solve it if they want to solve it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10272626520483478242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-60258674175781932562015-06-22T05:08:39.567-07:002015-06-22T05:08:39.567-07:00On one hand the Congis harass us because it is a B...On one hand the Congis harass us because it is a BJP crowd here on the other hand a BJP MLA is sitting adjacent to us who is arm twisting us for an access road from inside our complex to his private property and is incidental in stopping of kaveri water connection to our complex along with the builder, the borewell guy another JDS strongman is also involved in stopping kaveri water connections to the Gubbalala village as it will sabotage his business, I am writing to you as I have seen your talks on TV a couple of times and thought I would put across our woes here as to atleast understand where to start from?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-31866555731590688132015-06-22T05:03:05.512-07:002015-06-22T05:03:05.512-07:00I am a native of Bengaluru who drank Kaveri water ...I am a native of Bengaluru who drank Kaveri water all along my life but today I live in a remote place called Gubbalala where we(our apartment complex) had initially paid 2.61lakhs towards Bescom and BWSSB connections some 7years back but till today we are going bald with borewell water. But recently the local Congress MP is demanding 15lakhs for ensure supply of cauvery water for which we have already paid, this he says is towards extending additional pipelines towards the Gubbalala village and is glorifying the bribe as our social responsibility for which most of our ignorant neighbors have got ready to sustain, in this scenario what should I do?<br />Although your post is about Kaveri my point is about the difficulty in getting access to our own Kaveri in Bengaluru cityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-2303577917225085332014-01-26T06:22:24.120-08:002014-01-26T06:22:24.120-08:00Nice article
But i would like to add few more de...Nice article <br /><br />But i would like to add few more details to this.<br /><br />When there is heavy Rain which like in 2013 where karnataka left more water to TN with out any issues , But TN left most of the water to SEA with out proper utilization of extra water collected in karnataka mansoon and TN mansoon which starts in Dec also personally travelled in cavery belt in both Karnataka and TN to see the utilization of water. Noticed <br /><br />water canel development is taken care in some parts of K'taka. TN also should focus on canel development for proper utilization of water.<br /><br />in 2013 Karnataka left 220tmc of water to standing crops , TN still started saying extra water is not utilized and started requesting 30+ tmc of water in december. if that is the case why they are not allowing karnataka to build new check dam at "MEKE DATU"?. "live or lets allow to live"<br /><br />Also in 2013 JAN to JUNE karntaka faced lot of water problem due to mansoon failure. TN every time started requesting to more water like 50TMC , 30TMC etc even though every one know there is no water in all cavery basin water dams and took like prestige issue and started pampering karntaka formers. Due to this karntaka left few TMC of water due to this even " KARNATAKA FORMERS paddy/suger cane" got effected also with that few TMC water which they got is also "not helped TN formers also". <br /><br />At last both sides formers got effected and hormony b/w both the states went out of order. <br /><br />" WHY BOTH STATE GOVT allow both state FORMERS to conduct meeting monthly in case of mansoon failure/success and let them decide how irregation need to be done. formers also be safe in both side of states.<br /><br />Also when ever polatical people are involved issue is prolonged and there is no solution. <br /><br />when there is no water in karnataka dams TN should understand. Night mare days which we saw people of mandya formers burnts there paddy fields due to lack of water and committed suicide.change next datahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10096684273457962862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-35328385553069211502013-08-08T06:28:57.882-07:002013-08-08T06:28:57.882-07:00some information is comfortable some information is comfortable Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18367598833959321369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-91186591990827932822013-08-08T06:27:02.649-07:002013-08-08T06:27:02.649-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18367598833959321369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-91295859111909045732013-01-06T03:42:03.949-08:002013-01-06T03:42:03.949-08:00Mr. Ranganathan. I am very sorry to say there is n...Mr. Ranganathan. I am very sorry to say there is no other river that is perenial in TN. All other rivers are rain fed and you could see only Sand. Like Saraswati river that has become totally dried over a period of time, same thing had happened for rivers here too. It could happen for Kaveri too. But I don't want that too happen. Please step out your house and see it by yourself. In Kaveri river in TN you could see only sand. This made me write multiple letters to TN CM and Chief Secretary how to take remedial steps. I don't just blog. I also try to take some steps from side. <br /><br />Unlike Kiran's, Mugunathan's or Kity's your comments are not good in nature. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894404891647433948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-61128303773320317032013-01-06T03:23:24.907-08:002013-01-06T03:23:24.907-08:00You might not know or understand the livelwood of ...You might not know or understand the livelwood of hundred of thousands of villagers and farmers. The rice that they cultivate are not eaten by them. It is being supplied all through South <br />India.<br /><br />You are only a consumer and not a contributor to GDP of Karnataka or Tamil Nadu. If there is no North Indian Congress support to any of them, we will resolve it. As said in the blog, whenever Congress is in power in KA (through Bharadwaj now), KA too has to do something like this for their survivor. From my side, I too have written to TN CM, Chief Secretary how to protect the River Water and how to construct and use Check Dams. AB Vajapayee was defeated by the Northies only. They deserve only the present Govt.<br /><br />Mr. Kiran, I also live in Bangalore.I could accept many of your points in your article. But there are some pitfalls as well. TN receives rain during Oct and Nov. Thereafter only next Aug for a brief spell. If water is stopped entering into that area, It will become earth quake pron. It is something like Hair without being oil applied. It will fall right. It is same. KA is not as Hot as TN.<br /><br />Bangalore, Mysore, Mandya will start getting rains by Apr.<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06894404891647433948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-46220616083925982812012-12-07T10:14:50.173-08:002012-12-07T10:14:50.173-08:001) First of all I am happy to see a blog which doe...1) First of all I am happy to see a blog which does not take a stand based on language. I see increasing chauvinism atleast on internet towards one's mother tongue. There is no superior or inferior language and knowing more languages is better. It is just a way to communicate(other than learn , think etc which we do in English most of the times nowadays). Politicians use it to divide people and I can see that even educated people are totally biased (see comments in news sites :)) This is a problem between two administrative states, thats all. Kudos for a good article !<br /> <br />2) As far as I understand both sides exaggerate the divide to prove that they are right. Let us forget the historic agreement for time being. Bringing it up only gives reasons for people to justify their side. The historic agreement does not make any sense during times of distress. First of all during times of distress there should be a formula (40-60,60-40 or 50-50).So if there is 1 TMC water only, then it should be divided as 0.5 and 0.5 (based on 50-50 formula for example). Rather what we see is one side saying we wont give any unless our need is satisfied and other side wanting 50 TMC when there is only 35 TMC<br /><br />3) Terribly disappointed that when the CMs met they did not try to solve the problem long term.Whoever fault it was, it shows that they do not want to solve the problem. Issue is that if they compromise they are projected as weak. The political rhetoric is appalling on both sides.<br /><br />4) See this article:<br />http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/31/stories/2004013104910500.htm<br /><br />So I am sure both sides must be offering solutions for a long time. Are farmers following them or are governments serious in adapting the farmers changing water availability? <br /><br />5) If there is excess rainfall next year everyone will forget about this issue. Instead farmers should have dialogues every year to learn from each other on how to save water, crops etc and understand both sides. More effort should go into saving excess water during these seasons. If check dams can be built only in Karnataka, both states can invest equally and share the resource equally during distress taking into account rainfall etc.<br /><br />6) I am sure both states are using Cauvery water for drinking purposes as well. Also there should be an understanding of how the water sharing is done within each state for drinking and irrigation purposes in times of distress. I am not going to argue whether drinking water is more important or irrigation is more important. Only way we can contribute is by wasting less, using water efficiently in towns, cities.At least future developments and use of drinking water should be done realistically. <br /><br /><br />There are lots of misunderstandings and deliberate attempts to misguide people on both sides which has led to bitterness.This link is one of the best articles I have read about the dispute except it does not clarify the misinformation in Tamil Nadu regarding Karnataka:<br /><br />http://www.pildat.org/publications/publication/WaterR/CaseStudy-InterStateWaterDisputesAmongtheRiparianStates.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-26855160083389131222012-12-05T23:08:01.216-08:002012-12-05T23:08:01.216-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01125716605960577582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-55627181612872002442012-12-05T05:20:59.266-08:002012-12-05T05:20:59.266-08:00nice great artical supreme court must reed thisnice great artical supreme court must reed thiszenzahn dental labhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17719096324166988094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-47794989444199653712012-10-16T23:34:13.205-07:002012-10-16T23:34:13.205-07:00Switch from eating Rice to either Ragi or Sajje. O...Switch from eating Rice to either Ragi or Sajje. One can eat only what nature provides. Not something that nature finds it tough to provide.rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17037177658275435363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-44154730666873098752012-10-16T23:08:48.266-07:002012-10-16T23:08:48.266-07:00Thanks. This Basin area and source of water argume...Thanks. This Basin area and source of water argument is baseless. Only the length of the river argument is valid.<br /><br />KRS water must be split 60-40 with 60% going to Tamil Nadu. Waters of Gorur dam and Kabini Dam must be fully used by Karnataka and none given to TN. And TN must be asked to change a majority of its cropping by next year itself to Ragi and Sajje. No one seems to talk of cropping patterns which is the main cause of this problem but they talk of racism bullshit which is kannadigas vs kongas. rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17037177658275435363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-57379747700041960322012-10-16T02:06:49.249-07:002012-10-16T02:06:49.249-07:00excellent, accolades to kiran. nice tailpiece by m...excellent, accolades to kiran. nice tailpiece by manu. great work by both.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03599457978477897441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-73843163533812637222012-10-15T21:14:00.731-07:002012-10-15T21:14:00.731-07:001) The rainfall statistic claimed by Tamil Nadu is...1) The rainfall statistic claimed by Tamil Nadu is bogus(seems to be an average for the whole of Karnataka). Leaving aside Kodagu district and the forests of Male Mahadeshwara and Hogenekkal, the districts of Mandya,Mysore and Chamarajanagar receive around 70-80 cm/year of rainfall. In Tamil Nadu the rainfall varies from 80cm/year in Erode district to 100cm/year in the coastal districts. So the Kaveri districts in both the states receive more or less the same amount of rainfall considering that Tamil Nadu has a hotter climate and has more trans-evaporation.<br />2) The basin area calculation or the source of water argument isn't useful since states can always misuse the rule. In Punjab the Indus river originates mainly from Pakistan in POK but Jhelum,Chenab originate in India yet India is obliged to give the full water of Jhelum and Chenab to Pakistan while retaining Ravi and Sutlej. This is because Jhelum and Chenab mainly flow through Pakistani Punjab.<br />The length of the river must be the sole criterion and not basin area(which can be manipulated) or the source of water(which is also not possible to calculate accurately and is also an unfair method to decide water splitting)<br />Using this Rule and excluding the length of the river in the forests of Kodagu and Male Mahadeshwara/Hogenekkal, the length of the river from Kushalnagar to Kollegal is around 180 km. One also has to keep in mind that Karnataka has 2 tributaries Kabini and Hemavathi and 2 more important dams Kabini and Gorur Hemavathi. The length of the river in Tamil Nadu from Mettur to Chidambaram is around 300 kms. Since the length of the river in Tamil Nadu is significantly longer than Karnataka a 60%-40% sharing of water with 60% in favour of Tamil Nadu and 40% for Karnataka seems to be a fair sharing ratio.<br />3) If the monsoon rains fail, more water must be awarded to Tamil Nadu during the South West Monsoon (Jul-Sep) and more water to Karnataka during north east monsoon (Oct-Dec). During the rest of the months the 60-40 ratio should be maintained. The exact ratio in case of rain failure between jun-dec must be decided by a panel of experts giving rational arguments and not any politicians or film stars.<br />3)South Karnataka and Tamil Nadu are not conducive for growing rice. Rice requires at least 150cm/year of rainfall to be grown without irrigation. Rice can be grown naturally only in Kerala and coastal Karnataka. The crops traditional to south Karnataka,south Andhra and Tamil Nadu have been Ragi and Bajra(called Sajje and Kambu in kannada and tamil). Ragi requires around 70-90cm/year of rainfall whereas bajra requires just around 50 cm/year of rainfall. So while ragi requires a little irrigation bajra requires no irrigation and can be grown naturally as a drought resistant crop. <br />4) Farmers in south Karnataka still grow Ragi as their main crop but Tamil Nadu has completely abandoned Ragi and Bajra in favour of rice. Ragi and Bajra have disappeared from Tamil Nadu whereas only Bajra has disappeared from Karnataka.<br /><br />Solutions:- <br />1) Convert many of the rice fields in Tamil nadu to Ragi and Bajra. Restrict the growing of sugarcane in both Karnataka and Tamil Nadu. Kaveri cannot support Rice and Sugarcane grown in huge quantities. Make the people in big cities like Bangalore and even the people of tamil nadu to switch from a predominantly rice based diet to a ragi based or bajra based diet through campaigning and information dissimination. This will also give the incentive to the farmers to grow the millets instead of rice and will help the economy and environemnt at the same time.<br />2)Never allow politicians either from the centre or from the states decide on water sharing. The water sharing has to be decided on transparency and scientific data.<br />In short stop eating rice as the staple food and switch to millets like Ragi, Jowar and Bajra. The main problem in this case isn't the politicians or the farmers of either of the states. It is people like YOU AND ME.rahulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17037177658275435363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-73335829935386143102012-10-12T11:22:13.892-07:002012-10-12T11:22:13.892-07:00Don't look unto UN for solution, nobody has a ...Don't look unto UN for solution, nobody has a right to anything.only duties towards each other.Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-92039990183596166122012-10-12T11:20:00.753-07:002012-10-12T11:20:00.753-07:00As long as we talk abt rights and keep holding to ...As long as we talk abt rights and keep holding to our own position, this problem can not be solved. Go back to duties. Only way to resolve this.Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1485405523308080612.post-81224053357129184022012-10-12T11:15:08.237-07:002012-10-12T11:15:08.237-07:00Kiran,
if we can't understand the past, how d...Kiran,<br /><br />if we can't understand the past, how do you expect to solve the problems now? It should also include why KA farmers have changed their patterns to grow 3 crops, just like delta crops. Why are they changing their model now? There have times when both the delta & KA area where part of diff empires, but did any of those old kings try to tell the-other how to conduct it's farmers? That's what we r doing now.<br />Barinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03847627585214737779noreply@blogger.com